I know the basic differences between those two IC's, one is up fron if it gets hit you're f-ed the other ones up top, but which one does really give out power more, n cooling the engine? Which one would YOU choose n why? STi got an top IC and doesnt seem to be bad if it hits 0-60 in ~4.8..
FMIC or Top Mount intercooler?
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the front mount has more surface area so it will give you better cooling but alittle more lag cause its farther from the turbo. the top mount will give you less lag but cant provide as much cool as the front mount.
top mounts are good for smaller turbos that dont require as much cooling such as vf30
top mounts are good for smaller turbos that dont require as much cooling such as vf30
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Yea if your running a stock turbo, you wont want a FMIC
No, there is not. Heat soak is not an issue, and the longer piping and increased core size will be more than the stock turbo can overcome.Herknav said:
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Really what it comes down to is, you do not need to touch your IC until you touch your turbo.
If you put a big ass front mount intercooler, then your little stock turbo will be working its ass off to pull air through that piping. And having a bigger TMIC is totally unnecessary.. its like a 1000 dollars for something that wont make a difference to you at this time...
If you are looking for upgrades, I would suggest bigger turbo, fuel injectors and tuning as a start. Then IC, exhaust, spinners, etc.
jus my 2cent.
If you put a big ass front mount intercooler, then your little stock turbo will be working its ass off to pull air through that piping. And having a bigger TMIC is totally unnecessary.. its like a 1000 dollars for something that wont make a difference to you at this time...
If you are looking for upgrades, I would suggest bigger turbo, fuel injectors and tuning as a start. Then IC, exhaust, spinners, etc.
jus my 2cent.
id have to disagree... i think you may want to get all the exhaust bits out of the way before you go getting a bigger turbo and are raising boost. the stock up and downpipes arent intended to be run with any more boost than 13.5. get some sort of EM (accessport or utec) and at least and up and downpipe, then move on from there with bigger turbos/ injectors. !Thumbs Upeighth08 said:
just to add to this as a quick solution for youre increased intake cooling desires... i have heard that by getting longer intercooler bolts and putting some sort of spacer in between the mounts and the actual intercooler will cool it down a little bit. i would like to see the evidence of this but i was just told about it the other day myself. it does make sense for a couple reasons. one being that its a bit further off the engine. 2 its as better flow with the stock hood scoop. another idea that i did the other day at the track (and actually dropped .2 seconds from trying it is disconnecting the window washer line from under the hood and spraying down the intercooler with it before a run. free and easy intercooler sprayer replacement... sorta...
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Already have up and down pipes and EM. I was just wondering if there was ANY advantage to upgrading to a better TMIC; sounds like the answer is no. What I *don't* want to do is upgrade piecemeal... sounds like I will need a new intercooler and injectors with a new turbo. But getting all the stuff in one lump is gonna be $$$. So I may have to do it in a couple of steps... and thats gonna suck
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Herknav,
To upgrade the turbo you need injectors and a fuel pump over what you already have (EM, up/dp). The intercooler can be done before or after. The upgraded FMIC vs a nice upgraded TMIC is kinda overkill unless you're getting a rather large turbo (>VF34).
But that's all second hand info so take it for what its worth.
To upgrade the turbo you need injectors and a fuel pump over what you already have (EM, up/dp). The intercooler can be done before or after. The upgraded FMIC vs a nice upgraded TMIC is kinda overkill unless you're getting a rather large turbo (>VF34).
But that's all second hand info so take it for what its worth.
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i though you were able to a VF22 wit a TM as well? im confused 
No one is saying you CAN'T run a TMIC with a large turbo. What they are saying is that to get the most out of ALL that air you're flowing, it's best to go with a FMIC, which can overcome the pressure drop, overcome the extra core size and benefit from minimal heatsoak and cooler charge temperatures.
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TMIC will lessen the lag of you're turbo... especially the stock turbo... FMIC for stock turbo is useless because it will cause more lag... u can run bigger TMIC with bigger turbos, but there is only a certain amount of power u can extract from a TMIC... with a bigger turbo a FMIC will help because of its greater air capacity and cooling abilities... for example... u could reach like 300 something hp with a bigger TMIC and bigger turbo, but there is a limit to it... TMIC will have faster spooling, FMIC may have turbo lag, but u can reach greater hp with a greater turbo... stock turbo, keep the TMIC, once u go crazier with you're turbo mods and fuel injectors, etc, go for a FMIC...
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I wouldn't say more HP but more TQ and FMIC will also allow you to run higher boost for longer with no heat soak. Just keep in mind that you will get 200-300 RPM lag on your Turbo using a FMIC instead of the TMIC...so a VF34 I think you will be fine with a TMIC....but I went with a Front Mount when I put a VF34 on and it worked out just fine...I suggest a FMIC now just for future upgrade sake...wrxroy said:
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