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On E85...I could easily hit those numbers. But, there is only one real station around here that sells it near me.

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Tim Bailey/Surgeline has been with Cobb for 2 years now.
Aware of this, thanks. He took over PDX Tuning's old shop. Up until about 3 months ago, you could hop on his site and keyword search all his previous dyno results. Since I had an FP green in hand, I wanted to see what they were making. There were multiple STi's with the regular supporting mods sporting a green. They were all hitting a very consistent 375 whp. I don't know what kind of dyno he uses. I later specifically asked what they hit with greens on STi's, and had it confirmed. I also asked if 375 was about right at Rallitek when I was considering it. They agreed. 375 was too much without internal upgrades IMO, so I sold my green.

Keshav- Last time you went rounds in a thread trying to decide what way to go, I remember it ending up the same way, lol. Rallitek has told me several times 330 at the wheels is a safe stopping point. Your VF39 is capable of that with some bells and whistles and E85. Get a performance map for E85 and 92 or 93 on your AP, do some p&p work, tgv deletes, turbo inlet, and max out your quick spooling VF39. You'll get the most out of E85 when you want to play, and still have good power from pump gas. Inexpensive, and reliable.

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there arent many E85 pumps around here. theres 1 pump in down town but thats all i know of. i can get 93 no problem. my stock turbo has shaft play and im pretty sure its gona go out sometime soon. this is why im trying to narrow down a turbo that will provide me the best power and reliablity with good spool up.

thing is ive asked around and explained my goals for the car and i get people telling me to get a blouch turbo, an fp turbo, an amr t60r, and a gt3076r, but never give me the full reasons as to why this turbo is better for such and such reason because blah blah blah. apparently the stock sti block cant hold much power, yet some say its all about the tune. i for sure am never gona run a gt35r on the stock block cause thats just stupid. yet i dont wana shell out money for a turbo that is slightly larger than the stock snail just for 20whp. thats a waste of money.

ima just go with kirt and get my self a blouch dom. 2.0xt or 2.5xt, headers, ewg, fmic, 740cc injectors and just call it a day. im tired of being swayed this way or the other, or playing it way to safe. im not saying im gona crank up the boost to 30psi for the sake of power and disregard the communities warnings, but id rather have a hard pulling, fast spooling turbo that will allow me to put more power down in the future if i decided to build my motor out. or will allow me to have enough power at a safe level that will satisfy my goals. forget fp, atp, aps, gt30-71-76r, gt35r, 6262, gt 49-52. ima stick with blouch get a proper tune and be happy knowing i made the right decision. cause in reality i have a brand new car. new engine with less than 10k and a fresh tranny with less than 4k. so i intend to enjoy this beast as long as i can.

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Aware of this, thanks. He took over PDX Tuning's old shop. Up until about 3 months ago, you could hop on his site and keyword search all his previous dyno results. Since I had an FP green in hand, I wanted to see what they were making. There were multiple STi's with the regular supporting mods sporting a green. They were all hitting a very consistent 375 whp. I don't know what kind of dyno he uses. I later specifically asked what they hit with greens on STi's, and had it confirmed. I also asked if 375 was about right at Rallitek when I was considering it. They agreed. 375 was too much without internal upgrades IMO, so I sold my green.

On a Green that's reasonable. On a 68HTA (which is smaller than a 20G) no.
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Ok, agreed. lol

Keshav, you can get vf39's on nasioc for around $300 in great condition. Ya it sucks to buy the same turbo you already have. It sucks more to get a call from your shop and tell you their diagnosis is that you blew a piston. Stick in the 400 crank range or that could easily happen. Just my .02

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im just gona get it slap it on and do a very conservative tune on it and only go higher if want to. if im able to get pretty freakn close to 370-380 without sacrificing reliability awesome. if not ill settle for 350whp, but ill know that if i ever do decide to build my motor ill know full well that i can push the turbo farther and make even more power.

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Even a 20G is capable of maxing out what your internals can safely handle and then some, just an FYI...

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just some advice, don't get all wrapped up in hitting a certain whp number...because it's just an arbitrary number

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Still want 400 HP? Heres a video (with the parts needed) to make 400HP (on92OCT):

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lol. i decided to settle less than 400whp, seeing how its damn near impossible without building the motor out

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Maybe my current list (slowly being purchased) will let you respect 400+ whp. Yes you can bolt a big turbo on about anything and make big power, but that won't last long. Even if you get a big turbo and keep it tame, it'll eventually pop, and they never do that when it's convenient. I would get a used VF39 for now, make that sucker out, you can make 330ish WHP, and damn close to 400tq on those if you run the right fuel. Then save, save, save for a built short block and then upgrade the turbo. By that point you should have all the supporting mods to run the turbo and you'll only really have to do the engine and turbo swap.


Block/Crank--------------------------------------------------------$375.00
Machine Work------------------------------------------------------$250.00
Wiseco Pistons (100mm)/Manley Rods--------------------------$712.50
Main and Rod Bearings - ACL Race Std. Size or HX------------$93.90
OEM Gasket Kit/Case Bolts---------------------------------------$277.50
Subaru OEM 11mm Oil Pump and Extra Shim------------------$118.00
Killer B Optimal Oil Pan & Ultimate Pickup & Baffle-------------$669.00
Group N Engine Mounts-------------------------------------------$131.10
Injectors - 1000cc ID's w/Pigtails--------------------------------$427.50
Walbro 255 lph fuel pump and install kit------------------------$82.65
Turbo Inlet- Perrin/AMR--------------------------------------------------$250.00
KS Tech Big MAF CAI - 73mm-----------------------------------$240.00
Gates Timing Belt/OEM Tensioner/Gates Water Pump---------$273.00
Supertech Dual Coil Springs/Ti Retainers-----------------------$204.25
APR Head Studs/1 Step Colder Spark Plugs--------------------$169.10
Brian Crower Stage II Cams-------------------------------------$586.00
Turbo - Blouch 480xt 10cm^2 Hotside--------------------------$1,650.00
Carbonetic Pro-Blade Clutch/Fly ABS23132-16----------------$1,349.00
Heads - Clean, PnP-----------------------------------------------$500.00
Total Cost----------------------------------------------------$8,268.50

Granted this is more than you truly need, but I want a decent size turbo (i'd prefer something larger than 48 lb/min but that's all I have to pick from now) to make power out past 7500 rpm's so I have all the headwork and cams in there. Regardless that's barely $1,400 out of an $8k+ budget to make what I feel is a safe 400+ WHP engine (turbo limited at this point). Even then, I'm still taking a risk that the 08+ WRX trans is stronger.

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lol. i decided to settle less than 400whp, seeing how its damn near impossible without building the motor out
again, your looking for a number...DON'T DO THAT!...decide on where you want your power and then buy parts that will help you achieve that goal...in my case I chose top end hence why I ran a Green...not because of some number, because yes I made 400 on a dyno jet with it, but I took the same car not changed to a mustang and made 340...numbers are just arbitrary

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Still want 400 HP? Heres a video (with the parts needed) to make 400HP (on92OCT):
Josh, there wasn't anything listing parts with that video.

Matt: is your turbo syncho or asyncho scroll?

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My bad about the video, bt if you check it out on youtube, it has in the remarks section what he did. The point I was making is that it took a built block to get there among other things.

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That's a crazy parts list as well....I just looked. LOL

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