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#1 Old 11-11-2010, 01:28 PM
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Cadillac brags about Nürburgring. STI beats it? lol

Hey guys, I was recently watching some tv and the cadillac commercial about the CTS-V at the nurburgring track and the commercial talked about how it had the fastest production car and how it had this time on the track. Then I saw this article posted on a SEMA review and thought it was pretty funny. Might of been covered before but I thought I would post it anyway.




'Fastest Lap' Subaru WRX STI

The "function" in this impressive Subaru is measured on the clock. Subaru raided the parts bins to create the "Fastest WRX STI Ever.” Back in June, Subaru announced that this new 2011 WRX STI test mule, piloted by Tommi Makinen, lapped the famed Nürburgring in just 7 minutes, 55 seconds – 4 seconds faster than the Cadillac CTS-V, despite having almost half the horsepower. Major upgrades to the 2011 WRX STI focused on the chassis and suspension setup. It is powered by a 305-horsepower turbocharged/intercooled 2.5-liter Subaru boxer engine mated to a 5-speed manual transmission.

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raided the parts bin? the 04 was clocked at 7:58

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3 whole seconds in 7 years..... Gotta be something wrong with that....

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and yet it still smoked the cadillac
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3 whole seconds in 7 years..... Gotta be something wrong with that....
What's changed? 10mm wider tires and a better rear suspension to go along with a few hundred more pounds and the same engine/transmission.

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^That about sums it up.

Oh and they stopped the sedan to make a hatch, and then brought the sedan back and kept the hatch as well.

The WRX has been getting all the attention pretty much since the STi came out. Hopefully it'll be the STi's turn for the next facelift.

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What's changed? 10mm wider tires and a better rear suspension to go along with a few hundred more pounds and the same engine/transmission.

Just sayin... they "raided" a parts bin per say.... and all that they were able to get is 3 seconds WITH a better driver...

10mm does make a difference, i understand that.

I just mean that they should have gained more than 3 seconds from 7 years ago.

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I don't know who drove in 04, it might have been Tommi Makinen.

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Well, found this tidbit :

In 2004 the car used was an Impreza WRX STI Spec C Type RA prototype... AND it was done from a standing start...

I can't find anything on the 04 driver.... weird.

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I just read something about this in Road and Track, I'll quote it

"I sat down to chat with 4-time WRC champion Tommi Makinen, who recently drove the Subaru Impreza WRX STI around the Nurburgring in a blistering 7 minutes 55 seconds, setting a new record for production sedans on the famed 12.9-mile track. What was notable about this accomplishment was that the 46-year old Makinen achieved this record run after only 15 or so total laps, on his first trip there"

So this sort of paints a different picture. Only 15 laps? He's losing time in so many places with only 15 laps under his belt. I'd guess if they put in someone that REALLY knows the track, the times would fall.
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I think Nurburg more than any other track relies on driver ability more than familiarity. It's more reactionary the memorization. Sure, familiarity always helps I'm not saying it doesn't matter or anything. It's just that the track has too many corners for muscle memory to really dominate. That and the multitude of low speed sections of the course really drive differently from car to car. Rally drivers are best for this kind of work as they have lots of experience with courses they sorta know or even ones they've never driven. IMHO, especially due to his familiarity with the car in question, he was the singular best man for the job.

Yes, most of that's based on GT4 and GT5 but I think it's accurate.

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I'd agree to that. The Nurburgring Nordschleife track is mostly reaction and keeping the car going fast in the fast bits and in control in the control bits. Here...just look at how rediculous the stats are.

Nordschleife (1983-present)
Surface Asphalt/Concrete
Length 20.81 km (12.93 mi)
Turns 154
Lap record 6:11.13 ( Stefan Bellof, Porsche (956), 1983, WSC)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring

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No ones gonna say anything about the 2011 using a 5 speed?? OP or news article error?

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I'd agree to that. The Nurburgring Nordschleife track is mostly reaction and keeping the car going fast in the fast bits and in control in the control bits. Here...just look at how rediculous the stats are.

Nordschleife (1983-present)
Surface Asphalt/Concrete
Length 20.81 km (12.93 mi)
Turns 154
Lap record 6:11.13 ( Stefan Bellof, Porsche (956), 1983, WSC)
Source: Nürburgring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
956 isn't a car though, it's a GT1 racer with some body paneling. Even something like a Ferrari Enzo isn't going to be sub 7 minute.

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I bet the Atom V8 could do it.

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