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post #1 of 17 Old 09-27-2012, 10:53 AM Thread Starter
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Are there any red flags in this mod list?

Engine: (3400 miles)
704 series EJ257 semi closed deck case halves with 09 nitrated STI crank, clevite 77 rod and main bearings, STi rods with arp bolts, JE forged custom 30 cc dished pistons for 8.3:1 CR (block built by Adam of Rennessy Fabrication)
STI head gaskets
Stock refreshed 2.0 heads (cleaned, new valve stem seals, valve clearance set to factory spec) decked once
ARP head studs
Perrin Lightweight crank pully
Godspeed turbo inlet
New vf 39 turbo (<500 miles)
Tial 38 mm external waste gate w/ dumptube
Custom coolant expansion tank
Hallman pro MBC w/ cockpit extension
Mishimoto aluminum radiator
Mishimoto silicone radiator hoses
SPT short ram intake
Precision turbo FMIC w/ 2.75” custom piping
Group N engine mounts
Beatrush pitch stopper (dogbone)
TGV deletes
DW 850 injectors
Perrin V2 fuel rails
Waboro 255 lph fuel pump
Tune for 93 oct @ 20 PSI makes 327/380 WHP/WTQ
Tune for e85 @ 23.5 PSI makes 380/445 WHP/WTQ
Tactrix cable included to flash ECU for 93 oct or e85
KillerB oil pick up
2008 STI oil pan with baffle plate
11mm STI oil pump
Maddad EL headers / uppipe


this is on an 04 WRX
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I assure you that it makes nowhere near the power/torque numbers suggested on any normal dyno. That mod list can't support that.

Where are the suspension and brake mods?
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06-07 wrx 2pot / 4 pot with vented rotors
Stoptech Braided stainless steel lines

and I have a photo of the results, could it be faked somehow?
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Engine: (3400 miles)
704 series EJ257 semi closed deck case halves with 09 nitrated STI crank, clevite 77 rod and main bearings, STi rods with arp bolts, JE forged custom 30 cc dished pistons for 8.3:1 CR (block built by Adam of Rennessy Fabrication)
STI head gaskets
Stock refreshed 2.0 heads (cleaned, new valve stem seals, valve clearance set to factory spec) decked once
ARP head studs
Perrin Lightweight crank pully
Godspeed turbo inlet
New vf 39 turbo (<500 miles)
Tial 38 mm external waste gate w/ dumptube
Custom coolant expansion tank
Hallman pro MBC w/ cockpit extension
Mishimoto aluminum radiator
Mishimoto silicone radiator hoses
SPT short ram intake
Precision turbo FMIC w/ 2.75” custom piping
Group N engine mounts
Beatrush pitch stopper (dogbone)
TGV deletes
DW 850 injectors
Perrin V2 fuel rails
Waboro 255 lph fuel pump
Tune for 93 oct @ 20 PSI makes 327/380 WHP/WTQ
Tune for e85 @ 23.5 PSI makes 380/445 WHP/WTQ
Tactrix cable included to flash ECU for 93 oct or e85
KillerB oil pick up
2008 STI oil pan with baffle plate
11mm STI oil pump
Maddad EL headers / uppipe


this is on an 04 WRX
Thank you!

that vf simply can't provide enough airflow to make those numbers.
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It was probably on a chassis dyno. 250 to the wheels and 270 on E probably.

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Where have you guys been for the last two years?

It's pretty standard for a vf on E85 to make in the 330-350 whp and 350-400 wtq range. Yes his seem high, but 280 on corn, please. I made that on 91 at 4,200.

Hell I've run mine on a few and I always get 330-350 to the wheels at 20.5 psi. He's running 3 psi more boost which really just spikes the torque early so 400ish isn't out of the question.

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93: 290 whp / 300 wtq
E85: 330whp / 350-360 wtq

Per your other thread, there are red flags. I would NEVER EVER EVER run a setup like that on the stock suspension. It could never handle it. I see a few areas he cheaped out on as well.

If you get it, do so knowing that stuff will likely break and that that suspension needs dire work.
This is what they generally make. You'd be hard pressed to see anywhere near 400 wtq on any VF turbo on E85 without using a high reading dyno. You see a LOT of newer tuners these days suddenly claiming ridiculous peak torque numbers. You regularly see people thinking they are making 350-400 wtq on pump on STI turbos. I've seen someone posting a dyno sheet showing 500 wtq on a modified 20G, and they were fighting to the death that that was how much that the car was actually making.
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Lets all try to come to a conclusion is the first set-up stated by me, worth 10k dollars? if thats nearly all the money I have to spend, or would it be better spent going another route?
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Are you listing out what you want to do to your car, or is this something you're looking to buy?

Your user name suggests you are in college and accordingly should be about broke. If you need a reliable car I would look at something that's 100% untouched.

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Chris,

This is on a 2.0 as well. Not a 2.5

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if thats nearly all the money I have to spend
Then this car is not for you. One of the rules of thumb when buying a modified car: don't unless you also have the money to fix it.
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Lets all try to come to a conclusion is the first set-up stated by me, worth 10k dollars? if thats nearly all the money I have to spend, or would it be better spent going another route?
If 10k is nearly all the money you have to spend the LAST thing on your list should be a highly modified sports car. Don't be fooled by the price you pay being your cost. A used and modified sports car is pretty much the definition of a money pit and an unreliable piece of daily transportation.

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Chris,

This is on a 2.0 as well. Not a 2.5
Don't trouble him with minor details like that lol

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Where have you guys been for the last two years?

It's pretty standard for a vf on E85 to make in the 330-350 whp and 350-400 wtq range. Yes his seem high, but 280 on corn, please. I made that on 91 at 4,200.

Hell I've run mine on a few and I always get 330-350 to the wheels at 20.5 psi. He's running 3 psi more boost which really just spikes the torque early so 400ish isn't out of the question.
what dyno dude?, 250whp on one can be 330 on another. My friends 06 made 280whp and 320wtq with a vf39 and supporting mods on a very cold day(low 40s ambient air temp) using 92 octane and that is in airboy.
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This is what they generally make. You'd be hard pressed to see anywhere near 400 wtq on any VF turbo on E85 without using a high reading dyno. You see a LOT of newer tuners these days suddenly claiming ridiculous peak torque numbers. You regularly see people thinking they are making 350-400 wtq on pump on STI turbos. I've seen someone posting a dyno sheet showing 500 wtq on a modified 20G, and they were fighting to the death that that was how much that the car was actually making.
whats even more funny is when you pull up next to them with your 270whp and put a few car lengths on them, but man they have 330whp
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Don't trouble him with minor details like that lol
I actually lol'd at this Mosc

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