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twitchy 08-12-2011 03:25 PM

Couple questions.
 
New the tuning/subaru world. Not planning on doing anything crazy to my car but a couple bolt ons etc.

Wanting to get an intake, exhaust etc. Ive been reading that if i do put those parts on i need to tune em? true?

So if i put those parts on im not planning on going to a tuner, just get the AP and do it my self, Im just wondering what would people recommend and what would they go with.

2011 WRX HB

psinuse 08-12-2011 03:32 PM

Yes you will need a tune if you modify the car. You could probably get away with driving it for a little while, but I don't recommend it. Also no intake they are a waste at your power levels. Just do the tune and exhaust at the same time. In your case the AP would be a good choice since your not going to do anything crazy. You can always get a protune later on if you want.

cwinterbower 08-12-2011 03:37 PM

If you are doing an OTS map and not pro-tuning or going stage3-4-5, I would stick to a drop-in filter, if you really wanna drop the 2-300$ then make sure you get something that has a pre-defined map. Cold air frees up some upper end horsepower because the intake is so restricted on the newer gen WRX's but were talking probably 5ish hp on a stage 2 car. A downpipe without a tune might net you a boost spike which may throw the car into knock correction or give you a funky boost curve.
If you are doing AP, I would run drop-in filter, 3" divorced dp, stage 2 tune and you should be good to go.

sicc_soul 08-12-2011 04:08 PM

Yes on intake for '11 WRX (with tune). Intakes for older WRX's can be pointless, but for the 08+ different story. I see you live in Cali so you're stuck with 91 ocatane like myself, but COBB's stage 1 with intake will give you about 30hp, at crank ofcourse but still a definite improvement over stock.

twitchy 08-12-2011 04:15 PM

With a drop in filter do i need a tune? what kind of numbers would i be looking at?

twitchy 08-12-2011 04:19 PM

and with the cobb ap is it simple to use? plug and play? just set it to a map and i notice night and day performance?

cwinterbower 08-12-2011 04:28 PM

drop in filter wouldn't do much by itself. It's more about getting quick spool and letting the turbo work with as little backpressure as possible. You really need a tune on these cars to see much of anything. The AP's are pretty simple to use.

**as a side note, the reason you need a tune with a CAI, is because the tube is shaped completely different and the air hits the MAF completely different causing different voltage readings, the drop in wouldn't require a tune**

sicc_soul 08-12-2011 04:30 PM

Cant speak for the drop in, but if its like anything else with the WRX you'll probaly need a tune (even Perrins intake needs a tune). COBB's AP is simple and user friendly. 30hp increase defanitley noticeable, plus an intake and COBB AP are very easy to install/uninstall for when you take your car into the dealership (20 min labor). Main thing on here is that alot of people dont realize that us from CA/AZ/NV are limited to 91 octane and alot of OTS maps are designed for 93

psinuse 08-12-2011 05:44 PM

[quote=sicc_soul;266028]Yes on intake for '11 WRX (with tune). Intakes for older WRX's can be pointless, but for the 08+ different story. [/quote]

Might I ask how that is? Other than the intake manifold itself the setup is pretty much the same.

sicc_soul 08-12-2011 05:54 PM

[quote=psinuse;266034]Might I ask how that is? Other than the intake manifold itself the setup is pretty much the same.[/quote]

Show me a stage 1 with intake setup for 02-07 WRX that gives 30hp, because thats what you get with an 08+ (on 91 octane mind you)

psinuse 08-12-2011 06:31 PM

[quote=sicc_soul;266036]Show me a stage 1 with intake setup for 02-07 WRX that gives 30hp, because thats what you get with an 08+ (on 91 octane mind you)[/quote]

Show me a 08+ that does...

dumdum 08-12-2011 06:46 PM

[quote=psinuse;266034]Might I ask how that is? Other than the intake manifold itself the setup is pretty much the same.[/quote]It's a completely different airbox. It's very similar to the LGT's setup. Intakes on the 08+ do help morso than the earlier WRX's. Cobb also has a OTS map for the AEM CAI's for the 08+'s.

brfatal 08-12-2011 06:52 PM

[quote=twitchy;266030]and with the cobb ap is it simple to use? plug and play? just set it to a map and i notice night and day performance?[/quote]

The OTS tunes are quite lackluster. And I don't recommend long term use.

[quote=sicc_soul;266036]Show me a stage 1 with intake setup for 02-07 WRX that gives 30hp, because thats what you get with an 08+ (on 91 octane mind you)[/quote]


Let's see an +'08 that gains anywhere near that... I've give you $20 Paypal.

sicc_soul 08-12-2011 06:52 PM

[quote=psinuse;266037]Show me a 08+ that does...[/quote]

Stage 1 Cobb with SF 91ACN octane: 11.7% HP increase (31 HP)
....contacted COBB, without intake its about a 6% increase (91 octane)

psinuse 08-12-2011 06:59 PM

The fact that both cams have AVCS, larger turbo, better flowing heads have nothing to do with the fact that an 08 will make more power at stg than earlier models..


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