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Isshinryu28 09-16-2013 10:10 AM

Trying decide between ppg or six speed
 
Looking into building trans on my 2011 wrx cause I'm at my power limit now. Like ppg cause get keep my upgraded clutch and flywheel but like the fact that I've seen 500 hp subies on stock sixer.
Any suggestions cause I can get both from rallispec same price


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mosc 09-16-2013 12:19 PM

Something is wrong with your estimates if you're being told they're the same price. The 6-speed is a much more involved swap and will cost considerably more.

I would advise the following "stages" for any WRX guy, see where you fit it:
Stock-stage 2: stock clutch, stock transmission
stage 2 with a blown tranny: stock clutch, upgrade the gears only
turbo upgrade: STi 6-speed. But first, sell the car and buy one with the "STi" option package, will save money.
Track monster: PPG dog 5-speed. And a trailer.

In other words, I would not get an upgraded 5-speed for a daily driven car.

EDIT: I am well aware that the statement of "If you want a WRX with a bigger turbo, buy an STi" is an unpopular statement amongst WRX owners who make up the majority of this forum but in my opinion, it is the correct recommendation. The WRX is well spec'd for it's price and is a lot of fun at stage 2 for a daily driver but it is not as cost effective a platform to go much beyond that on. You will save money in the long run starting further along on the STi rather than the WRX. The WRX's "mod path" should be pretty short IMHO. Now, if you go so far with it that you are replacing everything then I would start with neither. I'd get an impreza body and go nuts from there. WRX owners tend to spend a lot of money upgrading drivetrain components that are already included on an STi.

Isshinryu28 09-16-2013 12:51 PM

Yea that was qoute from rallispec the six speed is used 2011 Sti tranny converted to open viscous diff and includes Sti drive shaft clutch slave cylinder shifter and other parts
Their qoute on ppg with straight or helical cut was same price still have the email from them.
My wrx is already past point no return with built motor and Dom 3.0 xtr lol


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Isshinryu28 09-16-2013 12:51 PM

And that is just parts of course not labor from my shop


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turmic 09-16-2013 04:18 PM

[quote=Isshinryu28;356930]Yea that was qoute from rallispec the six speed is used 2011 Sti tranny converted to open viscous diff and includes Sti drive shaft clutch slave cylinder shifter and other parts
Their qoute on ppg with straight or helical cut was same price still have the email from them.
My wrx is already past point no return with built motor and Dom 3.0 xtr lol


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So uh, which is it? A open differential or Viscous? They're two different things. I think what he's trying to give you is a crap upgrade. Just the gears...while you keep the crap 2011 WRX differentials.

WRX diffs
Front is open, center is viscous, and rear is open.

STI diffs
Front helical limited slip, DCCD center, and Torsen rear

The new 3rd Gens got crap differentials and gained VCD and TCS.

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mosc 09-16-2013 04:26 PM

I guess you're in it for a lot of money already. I would ask how much you intend to drive the car. If it's more than 3000 miles a year, I'd say get as close to a full STi driveline as you can. If you are not driving it much, I'd probably go with a PPG helixical cut 5-speed with a stock 5th gear.

Isshinryu28 09-16-2013 04:50 PM

Yea in for quite a bit just looking for opinion and suggestion looks like ppg might be money wise better choice but continue research


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Isshinryu28 09-16-2013 04:51 PM

[quote=mosc;357002]I guess you're in it for a lot of money already. I would ask how much you intend to drive the car. If it's more than 3000 miles a year, I'd say get as close to a full STi driveline as you can. If you are not driving it much, I'd probably go with a PPG helixical cut 5-speed with a stock 5th gear.[/quote]

Why say go with ppg if not driving much is that cause of sound they make lol


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Fidrat 09-16-2013 05:34 PM

[quote=turmic;356994]So uh, which is it? A open differential or Viscous? They're two different things. I think what he's trying to give you is a crap upgrade. Just the gears...while you keep the crap 2011 WRX differentials.

WRX diffs
Front is open, center is viscous, and rear is open.

STI diffs
Front helical limited slip, DCCD center, and Torsen rear

The new 3rd Gens got crap differentials and gained VCD and TCS.

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My 03 WRX brochure says, "Manual transmission models have a viscous-coupling locking center differential." It also says,"WRX models have a viscous limited-slip rear differential." What year did the WRX loose this?

turmic 09-16-2013 05:37 PM

[quote=Fidrat;357050]My 03 WRX brochure says, "Manual transmission models have a viscous-coupling locking center differential." It also says,"WRX models have a viscous limited-slip rear differential." What year did the WRX loose this?[/quote]

08 and up lost the rear limited slip diff in WRXs. The STIs are all decked out in the differential department.


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LW_Black4 09-16-2013 05:47 PM

[quote=mosc;356914]

I would advise the following "stages" for any WRX guy, see where you fit it:
Stock-stage 2: stock clutch, stock transmission
stage 2 with a blown tranny: stock clutch, upgrade the gears only
turbo upgrade: STi 6-speed. But first, sell the car and buy one with the "STi" option package, will save money.
Track monster: PPG dog 5-speed. And a trailer.

In other words, I would not get an upgraded 5-speed for a daily driven car.[/quote]

There's a lot of wisdom in this advice. :)

Isshinryu28 09-16-2013 06:58 PM

Cause I'm fine if its loud my main concern holding the power ill be putting down in near future lol


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man show 09-16-2013 07:23 PM

There's nothing wrong with daily driving a WRX with upgraded 5 speed gears. I have Albins helical gears in my car and I can barely hear them whining when I'm just cruising around town, but to me, it's an extremely pleasant sound. I envy those who have super whiney straight cut gears. Bite the bullet, upgrade your gears, and enjoy peace of mind. It sucks being broken down on the side of the road - been there several times ;)

06_hawk_eye 09-16-2013 07:35 PM

[quote=man show;357106]There's nothing wrong with daily driving a WRX with upgraded 5 speed gears. I have Albins helical gears in my car and I can barely hear them whining when I'm just cruising around town, but to me, it's an extremely pleasant sound. I envy those who have super whiney straight cut gears. Bite the bullet, upgrade your gears, and enjoy peace of mind. It sucks being broken down on the side of the road - been there several times ;)[/quote]

I was waiting for John to chime in about his gears


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Isshinryu28 09-16-2013 08:48 PM

[quote=man show;357106]There's nothing wrong with daily driving a WRX with upgraded 5 speed gears. I have Albins helical gears in my car and I can barely hear them whining when I'm just cruising around town, but to me, it's an extremely pleasant sound. I envy those who have super whiney straight cut gears. Bite the bullet, upgrade your gears, and enjoy peace of mind. It sucks being broken down on the side of the road - been there several times ;)[/quote]

Mind me asking what power you are pushing on those gears and for how long thanks


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