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Old 01-19-2009, 03:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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cryo freezing

anyone know a place in chicago where i could dip my tranny
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Old 01-19-2009, 04:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I've never heard of this. How and why is it done?


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Old 01-19-2009, 05:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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they dip it in some liquid and it freezes it and they shoot these little balls at it to make it stronger. i dont got the money for a new tranny so mite as well do this, its cheaper
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Cheaper, but it all it supposedly does is get the "imperfections" out of the metal. Not sure that it will make it noticable stronger really. The reall problem with the stock gears are the are short (teeth height) and narrow.


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Old 01-19-2009, 08:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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In rock crawling cryoed gears are almost standard. It adds a fair amount of strength.


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Apples taste NOTHING like oranges man. But if you feel the need to compare them, thats cool. Im just stating the obviouse defect(s) of the WRX 5 spd.


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You guys shock and scare me sometimes. The stickys shines some light onto this subject.
Transmission FAQ: Read if you are thinking of upgrading!

First off. Cryo treating and shot peening are two different things. Allow me to steal more useful info from that thread lil shoaf posted. (shoaf basically took what was on Unabombers manafesto on nasioc) Read it and take from it what you want. To have both of these processes done, can't be cheap. Let alone you have to take your entire trans apart to cryo treat and then shot peen it.

What is cryo treatment? Simply put, it is a process of freezing parts to -300°F to improve their properties. It is a "dry" process, during which the parts are never put in contact with the liquid nitrogen. The parts are cooled very slowly and then held at a temperature of about -300° F for anywhere from 24 to 36 hours, and then brought very slowly back to room temperature. Deep cryogenic tempering creates significant increases in abrasive wear resistance and durability. These improvements may be accompanied by increases in tensile strength, toughness, and stability coupled with the release of internal residual stresses. While cryogenic treatment is primarily used to improve the properties of the material, it can also provide stress relief, reductions in stress-relief cracking, improved surface finish, and improved machinability.

What is shot peening? Shot peening is a cold working process in which the surface of a part is bombarded with small spherical media called shot. Each piece of shot striking the material acts as a tiny peening hammer, imparting to the surface a small indentation or dimple. In order for the dimple to be created, the surface of the material must be yielded in tension. Below the surface, the material tries to restore its original shape, thereby producing below the dimple, a hemisphere of cold-worked material highly stressed in compression.

Nearly all fatigue and stress corrosion failures originate at the surface of a part. Further, it has been well established that cracks will not initiate or propagate in a compressively stressed zone. Since the overlapping dimples from shot peening create a uniform layer of compressive stress at metal surfaces, the process provides considerable increases in part life. Compressive stresses are beneficial in increasing resistance to fatigue failures, corrosion fatigue, stress corrosion cracking, hydrogen assisted cracking, fretting, galling and erosion caused by cavitation. The maximum compressive residual stress produced just below the surface of a part by shot peening is at least as great as one half the yield strength of the material being peened.

Shot peening increases the lifespan of treated metal components by ~20%.
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These processes are done as while rebuilding or as an extra step in rebuilding, correct?
I would think that it would only be worth paying for if you had the strongest possible tranny for your car and still needed more. I'd think your average street WRX would be better off doing an STi tranny swap or going with a dog box.


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True enough chase. A gear set upgrade is cheaper than a 6MT conversion. Read that transmission stickie to see why a 5MT to 6MT conversion isn't cheap. A lot of hidden costs and extra stuff needed to do the swap.
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It was my understanding that cryo treatment helped to uniformly align the molecules in the metal...via the process that turmic described.

I know that professional horn players will get their instruments (usually made of brass) cryo treated to improve the tonal quality that is generated from the metal instrument. The process is pretty fascinating from a physics point of view.


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i dont got money for an sti tranny so im just lookin for somewhere in chicago to do it
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But don't you have to take the transmission apart to do the peening or the freezing?


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But don't you have to take the transmission apart to do the peening or the freezing?
Yes.None of this stuff is new.Shot peeing has been around since the 60's-70's while cryo treating has been around since the early 90's.Cyro treating was very expensive and used mainly by professional race teams.Now it is quite affordable.If I was getting my 5 speed rebuilt with say some RA gears.If I cryo treated the gears they would now be stronger and would be more wear resistant as well for maybe another $200.People generally get their rotors,pistons,rods and cranks cyro treated.Not sure cryo treating the case would solve the flex issue.There is a company that makes a 5MT brace kit that almost removes all case flex as well as upgrading the case hardware.

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i dont got money for an sti tranny so im just lookin for somewhere in chicago to do it
First off....ack. Dumdum double posted. Sorry, I had to.

But, phatmike...a true upgrade to the trans would be a gear set upgrade. You don't have to do a 6 speed swap. Which is what me and chase were getting at. A gear swap is way less than a 6 speed sway. Just getting the upgraded gears would solve this problem much better. In short...upgrading the 5 speed gears and not converting everything to a 6 speed trans is the best route. Which gear set you want to purchase for the money is up to you. But people have been purchasing one of the following gear sets: RA gears, M factory gears, or PPGs. That is pretty much in order from cheapest to most expensive. You could cryo your stockers....but thats only going to be worth so much in the end. If your truely looking at fixing it. (ie...looking at higher hp numbers, in the future)
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