Ooops, forgot to get back to this. Without modifying the Tokicos, and my plates (front only) all the way in, I got -1.4 F and -.8 R. That'll never do for my taste, so rather than shave out the holes, I'm trying camber bolts first at all four corners, which just arrived today (Ingalls) I had to give back the camber gauge I borrowed, and my toe settings were pretty far off, so I'm going to put those in tomorrow, and get a "real" allignment Mon or Tues. I'll post back how that turns out. I know this has been done plenty and documented over on NAS**C but the info is buried in a 111 (and counting) page thread. Thought I'd go through the process to make it easy to share here.