So ok, people like or dislike N2O or CO2. So can anyone help me out on how to run it or link me to a diagram? Just trying to get back on topic. Thanks.
i bought a used NOS Honda wet kit with 2 bottles and all the hardware for $250. I sold one bottle already and all the accessories strictly for the honda on ebay and have made a $150 profit. And CO2 is cheap. The expensive thing for me will be installing it, which here will be about $500 with the intercooler rail. That's what I don't want to spend. So if I can put it in myself, I'll have made money for horsepower.
PS. Is there a way i can just make a hole in the stock intercooler and spray CO2 into it? Would that be a good idea, cause it sounds like it would be?
Garcia.. I do agree with you there.. the cost may very wll not offset the benefit... it just depends on how much money your got to blow and how much detial you want to add to your ride... Or possibly how particular you are about every little one-hundreth at the 1/4 mile track...
I installed it for show more than anything else... I don't use it very often, primarily ### i don't like cruising around town with a bottle of compressed gas in my turnk... (plus a think its illegal on public roadways, maybe not, i don't really know)...
As for install... I hate to be unhelpful, but i don't have a diagram link for you... But its honestly not hard.. If you are that unsure about the install, then i'm thinking maybe this is not something you should be trying to install... I had no idea really how to install mine, and i figured it out on my own... no diagrams. Its a simple compressed gas system... bottle should lead to the sparyer via a hose, inbetween there is a solenoid to stop the gas from flowing except when you press a button to open the solenoid and allow gas through the system... Solenoid is wired just like any other simple system... one wire to ground, one wire to hot with a switch of some sort in between to allow you to decide when to 'press the button' and open the solenoid, effectively spraying the gas. I hooked mine up to the solonoid driver of the UTEC using a relay(i'm not going into that detail)... and then you can have the system spray automatically when certain paramters are met... if you want to get fancy, Add a little red l.e.d. light to your dash so that it lights up whenever the system sprays... You need a basic understanding of car wiring to accomplsih this, and some common sense.. (ie... make sure you don't drill a hole into your gas tank or something while mounting the CO2 bottle in your trunk)...
Just get out there and figure it out. If you feel way in over yourr head, maybe you are, ### it really isn't that difficult to figure out... just take s a little time.
Thanks ronald, that helps a little. I'll give it a try outside of my car to see if i can get it workin right. And hooking it through your UTEC sounds like a great idea...i probably wouldn't have thought of that. How much HP does it give you on a dyno. I've heard it should give about 30-40. I also live in Texas, so it should help more than a little especially in this hot ass summer.
As for CO2 vs. N2O, I went to the local performance shop the other day that specializes in AWD and turbo, and they told me that N2O would cool a little more than CO2, but it's not worth the money difference at all.
Oh, by the way, is there a purge on your CryO system, or does it not come with one? I'm thinking of putting mine next to my CAI filter so I can get some effect out of that as well. Somebody tell me what ya think about that. Thanks again.
Originally posted by trenton
Oh, by the way, is there a purge on your CryO system, or does it not come with one? I'm thinking of putting mine next to my CAI filter so I can get some effect out of that as well. Somebody tell me what ya think about that. Thanks again.
If you're thinking of putting that purge anywhere near your intake system you're nuts; that is if any of the purged CO2 comes anywhere in range of being taken up by the intake. CO2 displaces Oxygen and will severely decrease your performance. However, if there is no risk of any of the purged air entering the system, then go for it.
Originally posted by trenton
Oh, by the way, is there a purge on your CryO system, or does it not come with one? I'm thinking of putting mine next to my CAI filter so I can get some effect out of that as well. Somebody tell me what ya think about that. Thanks again.
There is no good reason to do that. For that matter, there is no good reason to have a CAI on a WRX either.
Also it depends on what kind of engine mangagement you are useing.. if you are useing cobb or other type of ecus then the gains wouldnt be good at all. they take time to learn what is going on.. if you put 100octane race gas in your car it would run ok then run better once it got use to it.. but then say you put 91 octane back in it will run like crap.. i think something as quick as a intercooler sprayer wouldnt give an ecu enuf time to really use the super cold air to make a bigger power increase.and would just lean it out very quick. and once it got back to normal temp it would run a little slower. also if you are not tuned for the intercooler chiller then it will cause a lean afr wich we all know isnt a good thing.. and the problem is this its not just colder air its a drastic change in the air.. and since it is after the maf the engine can not moniter it. soo it will be craming all that extra air into your cylinder.
Octane doesn't effect performance. 87 octane and 100 octane yield the same performance. The gain is that you can run leaner/more boost/more timing safely on higher octane, thus netting more power.
And, you don't need to "tune" for an intercooler chiller.
well nathan at turbox seems to think so.. from a few of his posts on the subject seem to think that it only causes a lean condition. yes 87 and 100 octane do yield the same performance until you tune for it.. but if you have a smart ecu like cobb,or just stock it will add more timeing ect for high octane. so you mean if i run 94 octane gas all the time and switch to 87 i will have the same performance? and yes you dont need to tune for a intercooler chiller and the you dont have to tune for a cold air intake.. But since the intercooler makes for a very lean condition i would want to tune for it.
I' think we've already really addressed these issues...
What you've just described is the exact same effect that an aftermarket intercooler can have on a system... as it too is post-MAF and it too is cooling the air more effectivly than the stock intercooler... This is why we all have UTEC's.... To adjust to the changes of the aftermakret parts that cool the air more effectively after we go and jam a bunch more boost into our cylinders than the car was every intended to endure.
Any way you can cool your air charge is a GOOD thing!!! Just tune fo it like any other aftermakret performance part you waould add on to your car.
Originally posted by WRXblurr well nathan at turbox seems to think so.. from a few of his posts on the subject seem to think that it only causes a lean condition. yes 87 and 100 octane do yield the same performance until you tune for it.. but if you have a smart ecu like cobb,or just stock it will add more timeing ect for high octane. so you mean if i run 94 octane gas all the time and switch to 87 i will have the same performance? and yes you dont need to tune for a intercooler chiller and the you dont have to tune for a cold air intake.. But since the intercooler makes for a very lean condition i would want to tune for it.
So tell me how the ECU knows what octane gas you have?
It doesnt but once the ecu sees det, then it pulls timeing ect. then that makes the car slower. some smart ECU will add timeing as long as there is no det once there is it will pull some. also if you are a more aggresive driver it will add more timeing as long as there isnt any det. I put 87 in my car once and it ran like shit and soon as i put 94 back in ran like a champ.
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