You're furthering my point. Any idoit can say "in the ends it's still a XXXX" and call it whatever it originally conceived of. I like both cars, and I would ultimately take a WRX (which I have) due to the fact that I think it's a better overall car, not because the other car is still a [insert base model].
Ok, structurally speaking. The SRT-4 is still a Neon with an LSD, a slight suspension upgrade, different motor and transmission. The WRX has different motor, different transmission in certain aspects, stronger frame, different crossmembers, axles, brakes. And then there's the STi... Even bigger changes there. Everything from the lower control arms to the injectors.
Guess you're right, it would take an idiot to call a WRX or STi the Impreza. Or one to believe that the SRT-4 isn't a Neon.
You're furthering my point. Any idoit can say "in the ends it's still a XXXX" and call it whatever it originally conceived of. I like both cars, and I would ultimately take a WRX (which I have) due to the fact that I think it's a better overall car, not because the other car is still a [insert base model].
Your saying that given the choice between a neon and an Impreza, you would have to think for more then 2 seconds?? You sir, have just discredited yourself as a viable witness. How can you possibly have even 1 good thing to say about a neon? HOW?! Have you ever had the delight of driveing one? they are terrible little cars that fall apart way to early. The srt-4 is no different. Its a hand gernade waiting to go off.
The impreza on the other hand is a great car, and while maybe a little under powered, they are known to be reliable and, COME STANDARD WITH AWD! I;ve never driven one but i'm willing to bet that you could slide that thing around some corners.
Put a turbo on a peice of crap and all you get is a turbo charged peice of crap.
If you want a car that will go in a straight line fast and not cost too much to do so, yes. Then get the SRT. However, if you want a very good well rounded and reliable vehicle. Stick with the Subaru. Dodge and their SRT's aren't well known for their reliability or their ability to handle abuse.
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Ok, structurally speaking. The SRT-4 is still a Neon with an LSD, a slight suspension upgrade, different motor and transmission. The WRX has different motor, different transmission in certain aspects, stronger frame, different crossmembers, axles, brakes. And then there's the STi... Even bigger changes there. Everything from the lower control arms to the injectors.
Guess you're right, it would take an idiot to call a WRX or STi the Impreza. Or one to believe that the SRT-4 isn't a Neon.
You're also missing the point that, coupling all those upgrades together almost changes the car completely from it's base counterpart. The car is a completely different car in terms of a driving stant point, let alone power. The car is less of a neon, and more of it's own class, hence the reason I, as well as a lot of others, view it as something thats "not just a neon". Ironically, it was put best on a shirt I bought for a buddy of mine, whom owns one. It reads "It's just a neon until it beats you". Race one, be it at a track (drag, scca, whatever) and lose to one, and you'll call it an SRT4, not a neon.
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Your saying that given the choice between a neon and an Impreza, you would have to think for more then 2 seconds?? You sir, have just discredited yourself as a viable witness. How can you possibly have even 1 good thing to say about a neon? HOW?! Have you ever had the delight of driveing one? they are terrible little cars that fall apart way to early. The srt-4 is no different. Its a hand gernade waiting to go off.
The impreza on the other hand is a great car, and while maybe a little under powered, they are known to be reliable and, COME STANDARD WITH AWD! I;ve never driven one but i'm willing to bet that you could slide that thing around some corners.
Put a turbo on a peice of crap and all you get is a turbo charged peice of crap.
They also come standard a much steeper base price than the neon did. It's an apples to oranges comparison of the two cars. My overall point is that a WRX or STi is about as much of an Impreza as an SRT4 is a Neon. The SRT4 may be more structurally aquainted with it's original counterpart, but practically the same things happened between them to separate them from their origins.
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How about "Neon or SRT...in the end its still only front wheel drive." I will never own a single trac vehicle again. FWD plain sucks. IMO
I whole heartedly agree with you. It's exactly why I traded in my Eclipse GST for my WRX.
^^ Come on Nasti, he's actually been pretty mellow and raised some good points. He hasn't attacked anybody. Take it easy there big dog.
We are comparing apples and oranges here, so it doesn't matter. If you take and compare all the top technology from all the different car companies out there, your are going to have pros and cons for each. Its all good. At least dodge/chrysler is trying to appeal to the tuner market.
Although I agree putting a bunch of money and power into a FWD is like buying a brand new worked glass bong and smoking a bunch of seedy rag weed through it. *EDITED*
RWD = Drag/Drift
AWD = Auto X/ Rally/Time Attack
FWD = High school kids.
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Do NOT post WoW garbage in this or any forum again. Thanks in advance.
I was actually debating between these two cars (among others) myself when I was preparing to purchase a car. Just evaluate all the pros and cons of each model based upon your own personal needs and wants. If I were you, I would try to avoid taking other peoples' opinions into consideration because every car and every driver is different. Good luck with your decision![/quote]When you put each car side to side you will see that the WRX is much better suited to be a daily driver. More luxuries, better construction, great handling, awesome capability in bad weather, and even in a straight line with a little bit of work a WRX will keep up with an SRT. I dunno if you've ever seen one first hand, but when running fast next to a SRT they look like they're jumping around the road, its just too much power for a FWD system to put down efficiently, a problem that you'll never have with a subaru.
It all boils down to what you want from the car. You can argue fwd vs. awd till you're blue in the face. If you can drive, it's not going to be that huge of a advantage or disadvantage either way. I've seen plenty of nasty SRT's with decent drivers to know that.
An fyi for the peanut gallery, you can still autox an SRT and do really well. So that shoots the whole straight line vs. twisties argument right in the toosh.
To the OP, what do you want/expect from the car? Answer this and you'll have a better idea of which car will suit you the best.
I love it when people bring up the retarded rear power window rhetoric. Take a wild guess at how many times I've utilized this groundbreaking technology... Maybe once, and that's because I ####ed up and pushed the wrong button by mistake.
This thread has massive amounts of fail in it.
I will add my personal opinion to this debate between the two though.
Both cars suck if you think about it. You have to dump too much damn money into either one to get them to do what you want.
Funny you mention the rear window topic. I use it everyday. Reason is because I gel my hair, and if I don't have one of the rear windows down to 'vent' the air from the front windows, it just blows my hair to a mess... wow that didn't sound lame at all.
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Jon, glad you admitted that. You are not the only one that does that. I do agree with Stacy some. But I think that the Subaru line against any domestic car of the year will last longer and hold a better value (keeping that both are cared for in the same manner and all).
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It's an apples to oranges comparison of the two cars.
You did ask which would be a better choice. Would you rather us compare the STi and the SRT-4? OK
The reason I say it's still a Neon is because of the engineering and lack of forethought that has gone into it. Same chassis, same weak points on it. Engine puts out loads of cheap power, the transmission can't handle it though. Body is the same except for a non functional hood scoop, body kit, and spoiler, still it's the poorly assembled junk that Dodge has been putting out in its car lines. Suspension is slightly upgraded but it has just as much body roll as my old Ford Tempo did AND Dodge did nothing to correct the dreaded wheel hop that has destroyed so many FWDs.
STi, what can I say. 0.1L larger engine, well suited turbo (ok, too small for some of us), AWD that can be shifted to act more like FWD or RWD, tight suspension with a noticable lack of body roll, sneeze and you're changing lanes reaction timing from the car, better ground clearance. Seriously, the engineering that goes into ever single STi just amazes me. Everything works together like it should. And to bring up the safety of these cars again... Did anyone else know that in a front end collision most cars engines/transmissions end up in the driver's lap? Not so with the Subaru, the driveshaft and motor mounts are designed to shatter at a specific point to allow the engine and transmission to basically slide under the car. This removes momentum (think of how a dragster crash looks) by removing mass and protects the passenger compartments structure.
Yeah, every car has it's weak points but Subaru has done quite a bit to remove them from it's flagship car. Dodge dropped the ball on the SRT-4. Even with the new Caliber SRT-4, it's great for street racing when its not sitting still. Put it on a drag strip and a WRX can beat it if properly driven. Why? It's geared for gas mileage and top end acceleration.
Don't forget, you asked this on a SUBARU site. Of course we are biased here. Ask on an SRT site and you'll have the opposite bias. Ask on a Mazda site, no bias to those cars although they probably won't keep you around very long.
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^^^Taxi - Your earlier break down and comparison post was it. Thread could have been locked there.
The only thing we need to talk about is what each car offers and everyone else can decide which one they want.
Side note: I think I figured out what kind of racing the SRT4 is good for. I was watching on Speed yesterday all the made up, non recognized racing like school buses doing figure 8s, flagpole racing and car soccer. lol Then it came on...SKID PLATE RACING!! Where they mount in replacement of the rear tire, a steal wheel with a metal skid plate welded on the bottom and they race that way. Funniest f-in thing I have ever seen. SRT4 would be great for that.
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I will never own a single trac vehicle again. FWD plain sucks. IMO 
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