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Kjack 04-16-2013 01:16 PM

My First Performance Mods - Where to start and how far to go?
 
I have a 2012 wrx sedan and im looking for some recommendations on where to start with my performance mods. This is my first post and I am lookin for an much input as you're willing to give.

Id like to say that im not looking to do any racing or being hard on the car, just lookin to add a little here and there. My goal is to add a little extra kick and have her sitting at about 300hp with her sounding nice and looking clean.

From what I understand an exhaust is a good place to start, ive looked into the invidia q300, borla, and nameless performance. I am not so much interested in the loudest exhaust, more so the throaty growl. Obviously, its hard to hear each one in person to compare... Id love to know what you've heard/have and what sounds best. The ones i mentioned seem to cost in the range of $1,000 - $1,300, any suggestions on a reasonably priced exhaust and if I should go with a CBE or TBE? In my situation, I am not planning on maxing out the cars potential so how does that change what I should or shouldnt do? I dont know much about the AP's but if i decide to spend another $600 on one for a tuning, what else is a must mod? Do I mess with modding the up-pipe and down-pipe and then tune? And if I buy the Cobb AP, is it something I can plug in and do myself or do I have to pay to take it to a local tuner?

Im only trying to spend in the $1500-$1750 range on mods this summer so I dont know how to break it up...

Thank you for all the help and I apologize in advance if i am asking stupid questions. Any input is greatly appreciated. I also have some interest in the grills and front lip but thats for another time :) Look forward to hearing what you would do in my shoes.

devyn339 04-16-2013 02:01 PM

Q300 is a nice sounding exhaust , I had one then got the n1, if I were u I'd get intake exhaust and a protune

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Kjack 04-16-2013 02:25 PM

[quote=devyn339;295826]Q300 is a nice sounding exhaust , I had one then got the n1, if I were u I'd get intake exhaust and a protune

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Doesnt it throw off the air-fuel level to install an aftermarket intake in the WRX unless im pushing 325+hp? Originally thats what I wanted to do but after what I read on some threads, im unsure...

I am leaning towards the q300 so thanks for the info, did you have any issues while mounting the exhaust?

the RIOT act 04-16-2013 02:32 PM

If you're goal is 300 I'd do the below. First purchase MUST be your AP. flash to stage 1 immediately! Seeing 300 is the goal this is the best way to go for you with tuning IMO as long as you're not an aggressive driver. No shop, no tune, just an OTS (off the shelf) map provided by the AP that you can setup yourself. Next is your DP (down pipe) as this will give you the best bang for the buck by far! I'd recommend Catted over non-Catted and either Grimmspeed or Invidia for brand. Then you can do the silencer delete to your air box and get a K&N drop in air filter. I'd stay away from any intake purchase unless you get a protune...which i wouldnt recommend to you personally. The silencer delete and drop in filter will bring your engine bay to life and allow you to hear the intake, turbo, and exhaust a little better. Then flash to stage 2 and enjoy! These mods should put you right around 300 which is where you wanna be. Leave the up pipe alone as there's no need to change it at all in your case, and spend the remaining couple hundred on a TiC Super Shifter set. This mod, along with your stage 2 setup will make you a very happy Scoob :)


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Kjack 04-16-2013 03:11 PM

[quote=the RIOT act;295858]If you're goal is 300 I'd do the below. First purchase MUST be your AP. flash to stage 1 immediately! Seeing 300 is the goal this is the best way to go for you with tuning IMO as long as you're not an aggressive driver. No shop, no tune, just an OTS (off the shelf) map provided by the AP that you can setup yourself. Next is your DP (down pipe) as this will give you the best bang for the buck by far! I'd recommend Catted over non-Catted and either Grimmspeed or Invidia for brand. Then you can do the silencer delete to your air box and get a K&N drop in air filter. I'd stay away from any intake purchase unless you get a protune...which i wouldnt recommend to you personally. The silencer delete and drop in filter will bring your engine bay to life and allow you to hear the intake, turbo, and exhaust a little better. Then flash to stage 2 and enjoy! These mods should put you right around 300 which is where you wanna be. Leave the up pipe alone as there's no need to change it at all in your case, and spend the remaining couple hundred on a TiC Super Shifter set. This mod, along with your stage 2 setup will make you a very happy Scoob :)


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Cool I appreciate the info. Now when I purchase AP and flash to stage 1 map, over time will the car adapt to the changes and kinda revert back to stock? Or does this happen when you do a custom tune? I have heard people mention that but didnt know what they were referring to.

Also you recommend sticking with the stock exhaust at least for the time being? With that setup, down the road if i decided to spend the money to get an aftermarket exhaust, say a q300, would I need a tune to get the most out of it?

the RIOT act 04-16-2013 04:19 PM

I've personally never heard of the revert problem. Doesn't sound accurate to me though, as if that were the case it would 'adapt' to something like an intake being installed. There's a few good AP and tune guys on here though that can firmly deny or confirm that for you.

And yes, I'd personally say hold off on the CBE as you can install it at any point and it really offers nothing but sound and less than note worthy HP gains. Spending $650+ ($850+ for anything good) on something that basically gives nothing back is hard to justify IMO. I'd recommend at least doing the mods mentioned and see how you like the change in the exhaust, intake, and turbo before considering a CBE.

Put it this way though, if its not something that's going to damage your car and its something YOU like...don't listen to anyone's opinion but your own. There's things I'll tell people they just shouldn't do only because I don't wanna see them destroy their car, but something like a CBE will always be debatable as "worth it" or not and strictly a personal choice mod. If you want a bad a$$ sounding Rex everyone's gonna hear coming down the street when you want them to, then rumble on man lol!


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devyn339 04-16-2013 05:05 PM

Get an acessport run intake downpipe and catback then get a protune , the Cobb ots maps really arnt that good

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devyn339 04-16-2013 05:06 PM

Your afr won't change you just won't really be benifiting from until tuned

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devyn339 04-16-2013 05:07 PM

Doing a turbo swap isn't really necessary if your just planning on getting to 300 whp

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Kjack 04-16-2013 06:38 PM

Thanks guys I appreciate all the feedback. I cant wait to start the projects

NeverSummer 04-16-2013 07:04 PM

[quote=the RIOT act;295858]If you're goal is 300 I'd do the below. First purchase MUST be your AP. flash to stage 1 immediately! Seeing 300 is the goal this is the best way to go for you with tuning IMO as long as you're not an aggressive driver. No shop, no tune, just an OTS (off the shelf) map provided by the AP that you can setup yourself. Next is your DP (down pipe) as this will give you the best bang for the buck by far! I'd recommend Catted over non-Catted and either Grimmspeed or Invidia for brand. Then you can do the silencer delete to your air box and get a K&N drop in air filter. I'd stay away from any intake purchase unless you get a protune...which i wouldnt recommend to you personally. The silencer delete and drop in filter will bring your engine bay to life and allow you to hear the intake, turbo, and exhaust a little better. Then flash to stage 2 and enjoy! These mods should put you right around 300 which is where you wanna be. Leave the up pipe alone as there's no need to change it at all in your case, and spend the remaining couple hundred on a TiC Super Shifter set. This mod, along with your stage 2 setup will make you a very happy Scoob :)


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As per cobb, drop in k&n panel filter requires a protune. I called up today and asked. I recently had in the cobb sf and couldn't seem to like the noise. But a k&n panel filter will require a tune


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NeverSummer 04-16-2013 07:07 PM

Also, nameless exhaust is a great choice. Alot better in many ways over the invidia q300 IMO. I can't say much about the n1. Nameless' quality of work is amazing. The sound is great! Great customer service. They built it to your order. I can't say enough about nameless other then that's what I have. I have there dp that has to get put in. Can't wait.


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Kjack 04-16-2013 08:47 PM

[quote=NeverSummer;295922]As per cobb, drop in k&n panel filter requires a protune. I called up today and asked. I recently had in the cobb sf and couldn't seem to like the noise. But a k&n panel filter will require a tune


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Ok so with the budget I am working with for now, you are saying to pass on the drop in k&n panel air filter otherwise ill have to pay for a protune as well? Can I do without the drop in k&n panel air filter if I just do the silencer delete?

the RIOT act 04-16-2013 08:49 PM

[quote=NeverSummer;295922]As per cobb, drop in k&n panel filter requires a protune. I called up today and asked. I recently had in the cobb sf and couldn't seem to like the noise. But a k&n panel filter will require a tune


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Good call. Never been told or heard that from anyone, but just confirmed it myself by researching. Would've honestly never thought it couldn't accommodate an intake change of any kind even though just a filter. I stand corrected though. But that's why I'm an OS guy lol!



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the RIOT act 04-16-2013 08:51 PM

[quote=Kjack;295986]Ok so with the budget I am working with for now, you are saying to pass on the drop in k&n panel air filter otherwise ill have to pay for a protune as well? Can I do without the drop in k&n panel air filter if I just do the silencer delete?[/quote]

Yes you can just do the delete which will give you some much needed noise under the hood.


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