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#16 Old 01-03-2014, 04:08 PM
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Dope I will have to look up the difference. But for Man Show what size tires and wheels do you have on your car?
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Kirt is absolutely right - a good spring/strut combo will outperform cheap coilovers. However, since I just putt around on the streets and don't race my car, looks are more important to me than performance.

The adjustability feature is nice because you can dial everything in the first time exactly where you want it and then get an alignment. There are some people with coilovers who raise their cars in the winter and lower them in the summer - I originally intended to do that, but laziness got the best of me - that, and alignments cost money (you should get an alignment every time you change your ride height). So far, I've successfully driven through every MD snow storm this year - the worst was about 8". Keeping in mind that I only have 4" of clearance under my front lip, I was definitely plowing some snow. I don't think I'd be able to drive through much more than that without doing some damage to my front bumper/lip.

My summer setup (previous picture) is 17x9 +42 wheels with 245/40 tires.

My winter setup (not pictured) is 17x7 +55 wheels and 205/50 tires.

Even though my front and rear fenders are rolled and pulled, I still experience some very slight rubbing on my left rear fender edge over large bumps, especially when there are other people in my car. I have -1.4 degrees of camber in the front and -1.7 in the rear. I could add a little, but then my tires would wear out faster. I could also go with a smaller tire or raise the ride height a little, but I don't want to sacrifice looks. It's a delicate balance.
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Kirt is absolutely right - a good spring/strut combo will outperform cheap coilovers. However, since I just putt around on the streets and don't race my car, looks are more important to me than performance.

The adjustability feature is nice because you can dial everything in the first time exactly where you want it and then get an alignment. There are some people with coilovers who raise their cars in the winter and lower them in the summer - I originally intended to do that, but laziness got the best of me - that, and alignments cost money (you should get an alignment every time you change your ride height). So far, I've successfully driven through every MD snow storm this year - the worst was about 8". Keeping in mind that I only have 4" of clearance under my front lip, I was definitely plowing some snow. I don't think I'd be able to drive through much more than that without doing some damage to my front bumper/lip.

My summer setup (previous picture) is 17x9 +42 wheels with 245/40 tires.

My winter setup (not pictured) is 17x7 +55 wheels and 205/50 tires.

Even though my front and rear fenders are rolled and pulled, I still experience some very slight rubbing on my left rear fender edge over large bumps, especially when there are other people in my car. I have -1.4 degrees of camber in the front and -1.7 in the rear. I could add a little, but then my tires would wear out faster. I could also go with a smaller tire or raise the ride height a little, but I don't want to sacrifice looks. It's a delicate balance.
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Looks like a good conversation going on in here!

Like almost all things mod related, most people have their own preferred method of doing things. I've used coilovers and separate spring+shock combos and I think they're both good depending on the desired goals.

Inexpensive coilovers (Megan Racing, D2 Racing ect...) are great if you want something already assembled, simple to install and adaptable to many uses.

Spring and shock combos (Good shocks and springs, like Koni and Eibach or similar) will cost a little more than entry level coilovers but have many merits as well. Good comfort/performance ratio, simplicity and high quality damper valving are all common benefits of high quality shock+spring combos.

I recommend that the OP decide which traits he values most and then pick the option that suits those requirements.
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Spring and shock combos (Good shocks and springs, like Koni and Eibach or similar) will cost a little more than entry level coilovers but have many merits as well. Good comfort/performance ratio, simplicity and high quality damper valving are all common benefits of high quality shock+spring combos.
Actually that's reversed. Unless you're going for Tokico D-Specs, Bilstein, or Ohlins strut setups, a standard strut and spring combo (KYB AGX, KYB GR-2, Koni Yellows, etc) will actually be cheaper than budget coilovers when. [edit] I neglected top hats, though many budget coilovers don't have them either.

Would it surprise you to know that there are height adjustable springs that can be pair with adjustable shocks that give you all the same features as coilovers?
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Thanks for clarifying that brfatal, but I was talking about higher quality adjustable shocks (Konis in particular).

Koni insert and eibach spring combo comes out to about $1000 for the 02-07 cars. (A little less with a discount from us of course!)

This is without top mounts, just shocks and springs all around.

Entry level Megan Racing and D2 Racing coilovers start out at about $850 and $950 respectively.

Here are the links to compare:

Koni shocks: Koni Yellow Sport Adjustable Shocks 13 12 11 10 09 08 Subaru Impreza

Eibach springs: Eibach Pro-Kit Lowering Springs 13 12 11 10 09 08 07 Subaru Impreza

Megan Racing Street Coilovers: Megan Racing Street Series Full Coilovers 13 12 11 10 Subaru Impreza

D2 Racing RS coilovers: D2 Racing RS Full Coilovers 13 12 11 10 09 08 07 06 Subaru Impreza

Now just so that I'm not misunderstood: I'm not saying that coilovers are always better than shock+spring combos or vice-a-versa, just that entry level coilovers are a little cheaper these days then they used to be.

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Derp. You know when you're overworked and sleep deprived? I'll blame that one on lack of coffee... again
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Ebiach lowering springs are handling crap. They're designed to be handling crap, lets not fault them. They say exactly what they are: Springs that safely lower your car (that also destroy handling and ride quality but you don't care because you're cheap and want it to look lower).

They're a good product, lets just be up front about the full product description.

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Ebiach lowering springs are handling crap. They're designed to be handling crap, lets not fault them. They say exactly what they are: Springs that safely lower your car (that also destroy handling and ride quality but you don't care because you're cheap and want it to look lower).

They're a good product, lets just be up front about the full product description.
That's more fitting of Megans and D2s than Eibachs. The Eibachs aren't competitive rates, but Megans and D2s just out right junkers. They are both custom BC coilovers made to different specs that are a step down from BC BRs while suffering from the same issues (and making them worse). No travel, poor valving, inherent reliability issues, and ride qualities that suffer.

There are other coilovers in that price range that are decent entry level (vs budget coils), but see my earlier comment about not coming with replacement top hats. If he's not track racing, it's money spent that he won't be utilizing. You don't built a high end gaming PC just for web browsing and email.
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Just to clarify:

D2 RS coilovers are definitely not "Custom BC" coilovers built to different specs.

D2 Racing has it's own manufacturing facilities in Asia and is one of the larger if not the largest manufactures that I know of. (We've been working with D2 for many years and have seen images of their facilities).

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I don't mean to overload this thread with info, I just know that we've had good success with D2's products and I don't want mis-information to be spread around.


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The packed info in this thread makes for a good read.
Anyone considering lowering their car, could simply find info here.

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