Ok, then to solve this, why don't you just put a disclaimer on all of your recommendations then.
Something to the effect of: Being that I'm biased and have never used anyother form of Engine Management, I want to state that there are OTHER forms of management out there, some being better and easier to use. Please use the all powerful intraweb to search for these other types.
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I will, just as soon as you tell me why the others are better and easier to use. I know a stand alone like Motec may be better, but not easier to use. A reflash is easiest, since there is really nothing to do other than sending your ECU off, but that does not make it better.
So I take it you have used all the different forms of engine management out there and are therefore more qualified to comment on it than I am?
As for a disclaimer, I just assumed that since this is the internet, it was assumed that what one person said should not be taken as law. I thought the fundamental purpose of boards like this was for people to express their opinion, and for people to take what they want from the information provided in them. Maybe I missed something along the way....
No, I have no more knowledge than you regarding Engine Management. However, what makes me different than you, is I say something to the effect of: This is good, and it works, but just so you know, there ARE other things out there, better AND easier to use. (It's not something you have to have experienced to know, it's a given)
And while we're on the topic, why is a Reflash NOT better than the UTEC, in your opinion? In my opinion, a reflash IS better, due to some simple concepts. For one, now with the new advancements made by Cobb Tuning and having the ability to Switch maps, and soon make your own (just like the UTEC). Not to mention, the Stock ECU is light-years ahead of the UTEC in it's ability to ''learn'' your driving skills and adapt to a multitude of conditions and situations. Lets say you Put a 'Stage IV' map on the UTEC, great, you can fine tune it to your liking. However, you put a 'Stage IV' on a Reflashed ECU and the computer says [Logic]"WOW! POWER![/Logic] And then says, [Logic]Well, it's good, but I can make it better, due to this person's driving characteristics, I can change this, and this and make it FastAr![/Logic] Where as with the UTEC, you've basically put a ball-gag on the ECU with a Dominatrix Mistress behind it holding a whip saying something to the effect of: [Mistress] You're going to do it this way, AND LIKE IT![/Mistress]
Well, I'm not a huge fan of reflashing because there is no guarantee that someone who has never seen your car can guarantee it will perform its best. They have to make the reflash more conservative to be safe. I'm sure a reflashed ECU is better than a stock ECU. But, if you make changes you have to have it reflashed. Also, you have no way to adjust it if it isn't running the way you want it to.
The UTEC is a piggyback, which means it modifies the ECU's signals. The ECU still has the learning capability.
Originally posted by Cosmo Well, I'm not a huge fan of reflashing because there is no guarantee that someone who has never seen your car can guarantee it will perform its best. They have to make the reflash more conservative to be safe. I'm sure a reflashed ECU is better than a stock ECU. But, if you make changes you have to have it reflashed. Also, you have no way to adjust it if it isn't running the way you want it to.
The UTEC is a piggyback, which means it modifies the ECU's signals. The ECU still has the learning capability.
You have the learning capabilities to an extent, not like with a Flashed ECU. And you don't have to have it flashed anymore to make changes, at least you won't when that Street Tuner Access ECU comes out soon. They leave 'Pockets' within the ECU to tune via serial cable and PC, just like the UTEC.
No hard Feelings Cosmo, I just like busting your balls....... I don't know why. Friends?
Originally posted by Cosmo Well, the impression I got from Cobb was that you could change between a few pre-programmed maps, but not actually change the maps.
For the record, I was never mad about anything in the first place. If you make it to ImprezaFest, the beer is on me. Well, the first one, anyways....
Thanks, who knows, I may make it out there.
From Cobbs FAQ: The AccessTuner product we are working on will allow the end user to program the ECU. It will be in addition to the AccessECU service and AccessPort device at an additional cost.
So it's not done yet, and no actual release date, but it will be coming.
damn i was too busy today to post on tuners. oh well.
i sold the UTEC...well....he has it, and is paying me installments cause my car is dead, and he needed some management. that is where my STi pinks are too...
as for the 04 ECU...the only good option out there now is a reflash, due to all the deals everyone is having with the dual processor issues....etc.....
now i am looking at something different, not because that the UTEC isnt teh winar, but my setup will require a UTEC, with a reflash to control the injecotrs i am gonna run,.......and the cost of that is the same as the LINK, or hopefully the EMS, if and when it is released.
Originally posted by fc735 yeah..but hell, isnt breaking stuff half the fun?
If I had access to a lift, yeah, I'd be right there with ya. But since I don't, I prefer to keep everything in working order. Only thing I crave is sequential Fuel injection. Mmmmmm, 0 vacuum at idle, and instant boost the second you hit the gas! And safe too!
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cause my car is dead, and he needed some management. that is where my STi pinks are too...
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