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#1 Old 03-28-2013, 02:43 PM
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A.P questions

1) Do I need any aftermarket parts if I wanted to get a A.P and go stage 1 ??

2)If I got a A.P and lets say a downpipe would I need to just get new maps for the A.P and it will be fine or do I HAVE to get it dyno'd ?

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No parts are needed to take it to stage 1 no. And an AP could tune you for a DP with no other purchases needed for the AP unless you wanted a custom pro dyno/street tune.


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ok that leads to me next question then whats the difference between street tune n dyno?? whats the difference between those and the ap doing it?? thanks bud
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Street/Dyno are both the same software just minus the dyno, readouts and graphs...hense making it a more dialed in tune with a dyno. Others may be able to describe it better or in better detail. A street tune consists of hard pulls over and over again usually in 2/3 gears while your tuner is in the passenger seat making adjustments. Most reputable tuners will also do street pulls with you after your dyno pulls just FYI. General rule of thumb IMO is if heavily modding and exceeding stage 2 is in your future then pro tuning should be also. Getting a pro tune for a stage 1 or 1.5 tune is silly to me if that's where you plan to be. This of course is only my opinion. I'm sure others will chime in. You can also use an AP up front until stage 2+ and then have custom mapping made for your AP. or you can just go open source like me and save the money on the AP. Although now I can't make any adjustments if I were to say add/remove a small mod where with an AP you can...decisions decisions lol!


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Ok that what i wanted to know so I'm set if I have just a AP and got a downpipe because i would just have to down load maps correct? I don't think I'm going to push 2+ with this car because i don't know if it would be able to last. I am just thinking stage 1 or 1.5 I don't think i want to go to far unless I know my car can hold up.

I just have never modded any car before and I don't know the life expediency of the engine and everything when modding.
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Wouldn't hurt to get a K&N drop in panel filter if you are going to stick with the stock airbox.

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Ya i was thinking of that any ways ahah but thanks for the info PZR
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Ringy....stage 2 is safer fir your car then stock. I'm dealing w a tuner now that is amazing. You should see how bad the stock tunes are in these cars. Get a down pipe. And use cobbs stage two ots map. Intakes on these cars don't do much. I've seen graphs from multiple dynos. Some say the stock set up is best. Just my two cents


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Ringy....stage 2 is safer fir your car then stock. I'm dealing w a tuner now that is amazing. You should see how bad the stock tunes are in these cars. Get a down pipe. And use cobbs stage two ots map. Intakes on these cars don't do much. I've seen graphs from multiple dynos. Some say the stock set up is best. Just my two cents


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Intakes being useless is a myth.

And Cobb's OTS maps are terrible as well. I'd get a custom tune from a reputable tuner.
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Intakes being useless is a myth.

And Cobb's OTS maps are terrible as well. I'd get a custom tune from a reputable tuner.
Cobbs are certainly not terrible. I'm saying run cobbs ots for people on a budget. I agree that pro tunes are better. Not denying that.


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ya im deeply on a budget i have school going on and other things but i should be getting some play money coming my way. So run stage 2 with just a down pipe??

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ya im deeply on a budget i have school going on and other things but i should be getting some play money coming my way. So run stage 2 with just a down pipe??

thanks for the info bud
i would for sure. i just did my stage 1 ots today. i can notice a great diff. im waiting for the rest of my exhaust to come otherwise i would be at stage 2 now! did you do a stage one yet?
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Cobbs are certainly not terrible.
I hate to break this to you, but many people who have logged their maps would disagree with you. This isn't exactly breaking news, it's something we've known for years. When you make a 1 size fits all map, it will work better on some cars than others. A LOT of people have had to rebuild engines when they fell into the latter camp. The most recent person I know of personally was 3 weeks ago. They aren't terrible for most people who want to drive to the store, but if you race or tend to drive your car hard the OTS maps should never even be a consideration. OTS maps are base maps given a more glorified name. If you don't know what a base is, it's a generic map that a tuner uses for common setups as a starting point to make adjustments on to save time when tuning cars. You won't knock in normal driving, but it's certainly not healthy to beat on a base map.

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I see someone shares my love for OS pro tuning


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I hate to break this to you, but many people who have logged their maps would disagree with you. This isn't exactly breaking news, it's something we've known for years. When you make a 1 size fits all map, it will work better on some cars than others. A LOT of people have had to rebuild engines when they fell into the latter camp. The recent person I know personally of was 3 weeks ago. They aren't terrible for most people who want to drive to the store, but if you race or tend to drive your car hard the OTS maps should never even be a consideration. OTS maps are base maps given a more glorified name. If you don't know what a base is, it's a generic map that a tuner uses for common setups as a starting point to make adjustments on to save time when tuning cars. You won't knock in normal driving, but it's certainly not healthy to beat on a base map.
I only flashed my car stage 1 one day ago. I'm currently waiting for my tbe exhaust to come in. It'll be this week. As soon as I get it, I'll be getting it installed and going to a stage 2 pro tune thru my tuner. I'm certainly not going to run my car long term on a cobb ots map. I should be good fir a week right?


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