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#1 Old 02-13-2010, 06:09 PM
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My Phase III Project - 09 WRX HB - Re-Dyno Date 3/1/2010



Phase III of my project is starting on Monday. Honestly, I did not expect to start this phase till mid-year. I was just doing my research and shopping around until I called EDO performance. I was instantly engaged by their professionalism and customer service.

Long story short, I am currently running "Stage 3" Perrin map (TBE, TMIC, AP), never dyno my car. My guestimate is 270 -280 whp (based on stock 228 whp) and I have no idea what my torque is. I also noticed that my Injector Duty Cycle was hitting 100% at times.

Phase III includes:
1) Walbro 255 lph fuel pump
2) Power Enterprise 800 cc injectors
3) Tomei Unequal Length Headers - wrapped (This was a very tough choice between the rumble sound and slightly higher performance until EDO told me that the Tomei ELH would not fit WRX (fits STi))
4) Tomei Uppipe
5) Samco Inlet Hose
6) Blitz SUS Air Intake
7) NGK Spark Plug 1 step colder
8) Protune

Based on a brief discussion with the Tuner @ EDO, target whp is around 320 (i hope torque is north of 300 lb/ft) and boost would be around 21 psi tapers down to 17.
They will run a baseline test with my current setup. I will post video and pictures later on.

I am going to drop off the car on Monday and pick it back up on Thursday. I will be there when they do the final dyno testing.

My Mod List:

Intake:
BMP Inlet Hose - New
Blitz SUS Air Intake - New

Intercooler:
Perrin TMIC - Baseline

Exhaust:
Perrin Downpipe - Baseline
Perrin Catback - Baseline
Tomei Unequal Length headers (wrapped) - New
Tomei Uppipe - New

Fuel:
Walbro 255 LPH pump - New
Power Enterprise 800 cc Injectors - New

Tune:
Cobb AccessPort - Baseline
ProTune: EDO Performance - New

Exterior:
H11 6000K HID Conversion
3M 20% Tint Front; 5% Tint Rear and Back

Transmission:
Perrin Short Shifter
Perrin Shift Bushing

Suspension:
Tein SS-P coilovers
Perrin 22mm Front Sway Bar
Perrin 19 mm Rear Sway Bar
Perrin Rear Endlinks
Perrin Front Strut Brace

Wheels:
Volk Racing GT-F 18x8
Falken 912Z 245/40/18

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Wow, that's quite a nice list there! I am curious as to how you feel about the Power Enterprise injectors and Blitz intake when you get them installed and running. Very nice indeed =D I'm looking forward to how the dyno likes your new mods and what the numbers will be. I'll be looking for it on Thursday if you can calm down enough at the end of the day to tell us how it goes. Oh, and please mention the type of dyno they use too.

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Smokin' Joe,

EDO Performance uses Dynapack Dyno. Based on the extended forecast, Southern California is going to warm up a bit (we've been at high 40s and low 50s for quite some time) to mid 60s with 10% Precip. Hopefully, I can be there for the Baseline test on Tuesday and report to you guys before the whole things started.
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From what I've seen, 300 awhp on the 09 is as simple as: CAI, TBE, TMIC, 92 octane, under 1,000 elevation. I saw an 09 with those mods and parameters hit 312 whp and a bit more tq. Makes me happy since that's pretty much what I have/will have once I get my DP. Plus I'm running PnP'd manifolds now so hopefully I'll make more than that. The fact that you'll be using a dynapack means you're almost a sure bet to get over 300 out of it.

Should be a solid setup with the headers, I myself was looking at the Tomei unequal length setup, but decided to go the PnP'd route. I don't think you'll get much out of the up-pipe, but the headers should make a difference top end.

Looking forward to seeing your numbers as I'm going mostly the same route.

Here's a link to the dyno database from surgeline. The setup I was talking about is Mike Brackenbrough's 2009 wrx.

http://surgeline.cobbtuning.com/dyno/index.php

-Chris
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RcrsWetDream,

Thanks for the link. I saw your posts earlier regarding the headers and the Dyno database. I actually went to Cobb Surgeline looking for the info, but I couldn't find it. It's helpful to see a ballpark # for your potential mods.
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By the way, did you have any issues with the strut tower brace and the tmic? I want the perrin bar and I already have their tmic like you, but I've heard of fitment issues. Also, did it make enough of a difference to be worth the cost?

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RcrsWetDream,

To be honest with you, I originally had the front strut brace on. That had to come off when I installed the TMIC myself. I wasn't able to get it back on and I sorta doubted myself for not pushing the TMIC into the intake manifold deep enough (that took up additional space at the back between the intercooler and the firewall). I know the boost is fine because I have been monitoring it with AP to make sure there's no leak and it hits the target boost.

I talked to Chris @ Perrin and he claimed that they are able to fit the bar with TMIC just fine. The new phase of this project requires taking out the TMIC and intake manifold for the installation of the injectors. I will see if I am able to get the brace back on after that. I will let you know.
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RcrsWetDream,

To be honest with you, I originally had the front strut brace on. That had to come off when I installed the TMIC myself. I wasn't able to get it back on and I sorta doubted myself for not pushing the TMIC into the intake manifold deep enough (that took up additional space at the back between the intercooler and the firewall). I know the boost is fine because I have been monitoring it with AP to make sure there's no leak and it hits the target boost.

I talked to Chris @ Perrin and he claimed that they are able to fit the bar with TMIC just fine. The new phase of this project requires taking out the TMIC and intake manifold for the installation of the injectors. I will see if I am able to get the brace back on after that. I will let you know.
WOOO brother you dont need to take off the intake manifold for injectors! ive read many many posts and althought i havnt done them yet to mine, no one has every said that! dont want to see you do more work than you have too!

PS why would the ELH not fit a wrx when Perrin and Gt-spec ect. have the same part number for almost all subarus. i no some need a different oil pan and something else but we have the good oil pan and there a direct bolt on. i dont know Tomei but that sounds really weird!
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synolimit,

Thanks for your input.
1) I am not personally installing the injectors. That's what the mechanic told me and I did shop around for that job. It takes about 3 - 4 hours. I really do not care what they take out as long as I know I am not overpaying for it. Oh, and that's when they will stick in the inlet hose, so it works for me. good looking out tho. Thanks.

2) regarding the ELH, I was shocked when I heard that too. I was just thinking to myself that they have put this part on many WRXs and STis. so I think it comes from their experience. It might be as simply as you mentioned about replacing the oil pan. I see it as an indicator to keep my rumble (I think I can sacrifice a little performance to keep the signature sound). If i need more power, I will add on a bigger turbo or get a stroker kit later on.
I know the GTSpec and Perrin has similar design on the ELH. I talked to Ferdie (parts manager) @ South Coast Subaru and he recommended Tomei. For me, I like that brand alot and people say Tomei has got a little more performance (could be the welding, slightly better material....) well, only the dyno can tell. I actually went to the Tomei USA headquarter at Lake Forecast (Southern Cal) and the manager - Ricky san (he's japanese) was very warm. Although they didn't have any retail front at that location, he was showing us their newest project - "Expreme Ti Exhaust" which is super light weight and they use springs instead of clamps to connect different sections of the exhaust. They also gave us a bunch of stickers (5 hp each) and a badge (15 hp) haahahha.
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o thats all cool. i did hear you have to take the manifold off for the intake so ya injectors same time will save more time and money. if i had to do the UP over again id go GT-spec since it comes with the header and gaskets for only $650! but i have the perrin now so ill get the headers sometime too. although my tuner really really is convincing me to go Grimmspeed UP with external wastegate set up. he knows they make a good 15hp more and hold boost and spool way faster!! just tuff to sell the Perrin UP and throw down $300 on the new UP and another $300 on wastegate and $25 on internal wastegate blocker.
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synolimit,

It sounds like you are a good friend of the tuner, cos you didn't factor in the price of a tune and dyno. BTW, I saw your setup and your impressive dyno #. What's your next step?

Also, I am curious about your experience with the light weight pulley. Is it noticable? Would you recommned it?
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synolimit,

It sounds like you are a good friend of the tuner, cos you didn't factor in the price of a tune and dyno. BTW, I saw your setup and your impressive dyno #. What's your next step?

Also, I am curious about your experience with the light weight pulley. Is it noticable? Would you recommned it?
its in there somewhere. 6-7hrs of tune and they only charge $350. after lunch and everything it was an 8hrs day and still only $350.

1.)Perrin Subframe lock down kit and LPD-
2.)Whiteline Rear Diff bushings-
3.)Perrin short shifter with busings-
4.)Boost Gauge and pod-
5.)Perrin light weight pully-
6.)Turbo XS 3" dual exhaust-
7.)OEM Turbo gasket-
8.)Perrin Downpipe-
9.)OEM Uppipe gaskets-
10.)Perrin Uppipe-
11.)GrimmSpeed 3 port EBCS-
12.)Walbro 255Lph fuel pump-
13.)Turbo XS cold air intake-
14.)NGK colder spark plugs-
15.)Tune

next step
16.)catless invidia
17.)turboxs FMIC
18.)turboxs BPV
19.)retune 17psi maybe 18psi if injectors hold under 95%
20.)tranny mount
21.)motor mounts
22.)pitch stop
23.)900cc injectors with 93 winter map and E85 summer map

then later maybe headers, EW and turbo

as for LWP maybe 5hp, isn't noticable. but if i could go back just catless and dyno against the other 09 we'd see the difference between the LWP and my UP vs his stock ones. since im going back FMIC also we'll prob never no really.
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with your FMIC, you are going to push higher boost. The Perrin map I was running with my TMIC had 17.5 psi as target. When I really push the car, I hit really high IDC ~ 98%. I've hit 100% before. Well, it might actually hit 100% everytime, but you know how AP only logs it every 4/10th of a sec. There's the main reason why I want to start this project earlier with bigger injectors and pump.
You might want to push #23 up to #16.
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I want to see max potential out of the car with stock injectors at 90-95% just so I and people know what they can get before a hard mod like injectors and before high boost. If we can only do 17psi that's fine. But I want the numbers to give out info. I can't do injectors till summer anywho so till then I want to see without the cat and fmic installed. I'm hoping 305hp 315tq on winter 93 at 17psi. If we can do 18psi then cool, if not I wanna be over 300 on a mustang reading dyno So I know the LWP and UP ment something.
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It's awesome that you have a purpose to serve the public while rolling out your project.

I saw your to do mods and found them to be all power mods. I've been thinking about upgrading the breaking system for quite some time now. I mean if I have to choose between more hp vs higher breaking power, I will go with more hp any time of the day. However, there's safety issue...

The only person I saw with an upgraded breaking system is Boost Addict. He's got the Brembo (custom fit I believe) and that's got to be north of $3G. I checked Endless and D2 and they are not cheap. Is there anyone out there looking into this as well?
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