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Old 01-02-2009, 09:52 PM   #61 (permalink)
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The VF52's bigger than a VF39 too I believe...

Especially with the larger intercooler and the rest of your supporting mods, you're going to be fuel limited on a decent tune.


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Old 01-02-2009, 11:18 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Looks like its going along well keep us posted. You must have some serious cash flow. Footwellkit looks nice let me know when your shops up I might grab one
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:01 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Can you say slipping clutch?........Boom to that engine , I have the perrin cold air intake , I had to make a custom sheild for it so I dont suck up any water/snow here in N.Y . I will post pics when I have a chance , right now I'm tearing into the suspension .
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With VF39 on the STi you can max your IDC on the stock injectors. They will limit you if you want to get really aggressive with the tune.
I've seen 09 WRXs hit the range I'm going for with factory injectors, so I should be ok... If I want to really crank it high, I agree it might start being a limiting factor. But can't be sure until I get it tuned. I'll definitely report back my findings.

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The VF52's bigger than a VF39 too I believe...

Especially with the larger intercooler and the rest of your supporting mods, you're going to be fuel limited on a decent tune.
With my calculations, I was predicting the same thing as you!

To my surprise though, when I called up my tuner, he told me that we shouldn't even be near the 75% range at 300 whp. He knew the injector capabilities and sold me on the fact that they can stay stock.

Thanks for the advice, man. It feels like a lot of speculation at this point and it can go either way, so I'll definitely report back and let you know how things go... Turbo + TMIC + BPV were shipped earlier today. Can't wait!

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Looks like its going along well keep us posted. You must have some serious cash flow. Footwellkit looks nice let me know when your shops up I might grab one
Just doing my part to stimulate the economy I'll keep you posted for sure. Thanks!

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Can you say slipping clutch?........Boom to that engine , I have the perrin cold air intake , I had to make a custom sheild for it so I dont suck up any water/snow here in N.Y . I will post pics when I have a chance , right now I'm tearing into the suspension .
If you're referring to the transmission, then yeah, I gotta ease into the power
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What made you choice a topmount IC rather then the front mount one?
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What made you choice a topmount IC rather then the front mount one?
Performance wise: Even the stock top mount stayed cool during our testing, and in fact, I wouldn't mind running that up to 300whp. My reason for upgrading is the end-tanks due to the psi I plan to run. While the PERRIN may also cool more efficiently and flow better, I simply consider those features a secondary bonus.

Application wise: I prefer the pipe-less design of the TMIC. It has significantly shorter ducting than a front mount and that will generally mean earlier spool up. While front mounts will remain the king in racing applications and sitting idling under hot weather, the TMIC is still very efficient once the vehicle starts moving. And for a street application like my car, I think the PERRIN is more than sufficient.

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Allright that answers just about all of those questions then. Thank you for the information.
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Allright that answers just about all of those questions then. Thank you for the information.
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So I installed the K&N Typhoon, and it was a very straight forward install with minor surprises. I will post up detailed pictures of the install sometime soon when I have more time. But all in all, it turned out great. The fitment and construction of the unit are excellent! It's a very nice piece and was a great choice for what I was looking to accomplish. I have recently ditched the idea of the turbo inlet hose due to some of the installation directions. They appear to require cutting the factory unit and then rerouting things. I'm not too fond of that considering the potentially small gains to be had.

After installing the K&N, I reverted back from my 233/334 custom map to the stock mapping in order to prevent any problems. Are there gains? Absolutely. But those gains are felt in the mid-range to upper mid-range... On the stock mapping the turbos exhaustion at high revs is more apparent than on my customer tune. But also note that, as expected, power did drop off quite significantly in the lower end of the spectrum. Lugging the car around at low revs then wanting to spring into action doesn't feel as immediate as before. It feels heavier at lower revs. Not by a huge amount, but it is noticeable. I have no major problem with this as the new tune will certainly take advantage of every last drop this intake has to offer, so I'm at peace with a slight loss of grunt down low.

The sound is pretty intoxicating. It sounds like you're in your own personal air craft . If you have no music on, spool up begins as an wide-spread "shhhhhh" sound, but climbing in revs with load will narrow the sound to a focused and sharp "hissssss" as the turbo spools up quicker. Once off the throttle, the bypass valve is very noticeable with an easy-to-mimic "tishewwwww". It's kind of funny if you break it down... People will commonly call it a 'sneeze', but at least it's polite enough to ask for a "tisshhheewww". Get it? Tissue.

Some things to note about it's performance. The car has an easy time figuring out the AFRs and running properly when you're heavy on the throttle. It clings to 11.1 and won't let go. But there must be some reason the stock unit had an air straightener in the pipe. While the K&N has a built-in velocity stack, it will cause the car to stumble and figure it's timing out if you get on it after an initial light throttle. In other words, if you're cruising along say at 2500 rpm, and give the throttle a squeeze, it will need to sort itself out with a little lumpiness in power delivery. Now please note, I'm being really picky, it's not like something that's a disturbance or a massively upsetting feeling. It just doesn't feel as smooth as the custom map. And I can't quite speak for the car in stock form, as I don't remember it's build up of power too well. It could have had the same lumpiness in stock trim (I don't remember). But in the ECUs defense, I am running an Intake and Turboback on Stock parameters. That's never a good combination to run for a long period of time.

In short, the gains were a bit more than I expected from the intake. It certainly feels more robust and willing in the mid-range (compared to stock mapping) but that feeling could be amplified by the loss in power down low. But all in all, I am very satisfied with the intake and can't wait to see if the sound changes at all once the new turbo, tmic and bpv are installed next weekend. We are scheduled to drop the new parts in on Sunday the 11th, then get a new custom tune done on the 13th! Wish me luck in hitting 290+ whp

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K&N POST-MAF TUBE INTERNAL DETAIL AND DIAMETER


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K&N TYPHOON - REVVING FROM OUTSIDE, (LOVELY RATTLING SOUND COURTESY OF COBB HEAT SHIELD)


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the AEM intake has air straightners in it. and it looks like the k&N intake measures smaller than stock.. the AEM matches stock in every way around the MAF sensor. Diameter, length from air inlet/straightners to sensor.
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the AEM intake has air straightners in it. and it looks like the k&N intake measures smaller than stock.. the AEM matches stock in every way around the MAF sensor. Diameter, length from air inlet/straightners to sensor.
That's a great feature to note for those who don't know what to choose. Thank you!
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goodluck hopefully it works out great for you
looking forward to seeing the results
how much cash have you droped on upgrades?
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